Heavy Rain

[[-FRS-] MadMax RuS]

Втф-спам сетап.

Scimi 12 Tengu 16 Tengu 16 Drake 13 Harmonizing Drake 13 Rapid Deployment Drake 13 Interdiction Maneuvers Loki 16

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Total

99

Знаю, мало шипов, втф локи, итд, но вчерашняя тренировка показала, что при железобетонной отработке и хорошем скими оно может существовать и побеждать.
Затыкаем уязвимые места сетапа: мор демедж, более живучие сетки. Типа контрим слепней.

Скими стандартный, т2 мед шилд реп дроны
Тенги:
[Tengu, 6 HML AT9]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay

Дрейки 3 шт с линками по образцу:
[Drake, skirmish_rapid]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5

Локи бросается сетковать и стрелять, резисты имеет вполне качабельные:
[Loki, web_spam]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
LADAR Backup Array II

Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Medium YF-12a Smartbomb
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Формат пересмотрен, фиты ниже.

[[-FRS-]GTusk]

главные недостатки, сетки короче, а скими уязвим к дампу(

[[-FRS-] Faffywaffy]

Макс, я не вижу чем этот сетап существенно сильнее сетапа Туска. Не забывай что вчерашний тест был против слепней с хендикапом в курсу и два сентинеля. Думаю вариант слепней без этого хендикапа (например слепни, скими, 2*хугинн + драмики) все таки победят оба варианта мисл спама.

[[-FRS-] Bilaz]

мне кажется можно попробовать вместо локи взять 3 драмиеля и сентинель. мб интересней получится

[[-FRS-]GTusk]

не, совсем без сеток херово будет

[[NF] Aannet]

может стоит подумать - как затолкать два хугина в мисл сетап? чтоб уж наверняка мислами-то спамить

[[-FRS-]GTusk]

долго мучался, но никак не запихивается, иначе дамага вобще нихера не остается((

[[NF] Aannet]

может заменить дрейк и локи на два хугина и добавить стилету с 2-мя пейнтерами?
дамаг конечно говно, зато все лонг ренж и с донесением дпс проблем нету...

[[-FRS-] MadMax RuS]

не совсем понимаю, зачем нужен второй хугин

[[-FRS-] Faffywaffy]

Под двумя хугиннами никакой клозовый дамаг не догонит...?

[[-FRS-] MadMax RuS]

а без своего дамага это будет иметь значение?

[[-FRS-] Faffywaffy]

Ясно что это минус, но ты спросил - зачем. Если бы можно было сделать два хугинна без потери дамага, было бы идеально.

[[-FRS-] MadMax RuS]

2 хугина применяли вольтроны в своём сетапе с дамподрейками. Выиграли на нём 2 раза, но слились в первом же серьёзном бою. Мне в общем не понравилось

[[NF] Aannet]

наша проблема, что у нас вобще нет миссл сетапа... а один хевитаклер крайне уязвим

пс. вольтроны это не те, кто занял 3-е место? ))

[[-FRS-] MadMax RuS]

Побрейнстормил тут на работе часа 2.

Пришёл к нескольким базовым принципам успешного мислспама:
1) Хугинн нужен всегда. Желаемая цель в ренже сеток со старта = 50% победы.
2) Нужно выжимать как можно больше дпс из всех возможных кораблей.
3) Логист должен КАЧАТЬ, а не играть роль впитывателя дамага.
4) Логист - самый важный шип сетапа, требует идеального позиционирования на арене.
5) Логисту нужна достаточно живучая поддержка с защитой от джама\дампа.

В ходе размышлений родился немного модифицированный сетап, внешне похожий на тот, что мы тестили, но с большими различиями в фитах.

Scimi	12
Tengu	16
Tengu	16
Drake	13 Harmonizing
Drake	13 Rapid Deployment
Drake	13 Interdiction Maneuvers
Huginn	13

Cormorant	2
Cormorant	2

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Total

100

Дрейки с линками
[Drake, spam_skirmish_rapid] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Photon Scattering Field II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hobgoblin II x5		[Drake, spam_skirmish_interdict] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Photon Scattering Field II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hobgoblin II x5		[Drake, spam_siege_harmonizing] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Photon Scattering Field II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hobgoblin II x5
Тенги и скими
[Tengu, spam_6hml] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay		[Tengu, spam_6hml] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay		[Scimitar, spam_4xtransfer] Damage Control II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x4 Light Shield Maintenance Bot II x1
Хугинн и корморанты
[Huginn, spam_dualweb_paint] Damage Control II LADAR Backup Array II Capacitor Power Relay II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Invulnerability Field II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Havoc Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Havoc Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Dread Guristas Havoc Heavy Missile Medium Plasma Smartbomb II Medium Plasma Smartbomb II Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x4		[Cormorant, spam_rsb_caster] Damage Control II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Medium Shield Extender II Remote Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Phased Muon ECCM Caster I 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S [empty high slot] Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I		[Cormorant, spam_rsb_caster] Damage Control II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Medium Shield Extender II Remote Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Phased Muon ECCM Caster I 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S [empty high slot] Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Пока думаю над следующим:
3я сетка на хуги вместо пейнтера - ?
мвд на скими - ?
бекапы вместо чемоданов на тенгах - ?

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